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]]> By: MICHAEL THOMAS http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2007/10/13/religion-and-logic-off-the-deep-end-with-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-18127 MICHAEL THOMAS Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:07:34 +0000 http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2007/10/13/religion-and-logic-off-the-deep-end-with-ann-coulter/#comment-18127 <p>I used to be a born-again Christian, and now my beliefs are closer to Deism. But Ann Coulter, admittedly extremely OBNOXIOUS, IGNORANT, RUDE, INSULTING, ARROGANT, HARSH, DISHONEST, CRUEL, MALIGNANT, HOSTILE,etc., was still essentially "correct" within the parameters of the belief-system. Why don't these people at least read the New Testament and see what it says? Especially in 1 John 2:23; 5:12; Revelation 2:9 & 3:9; Romans 2:28-29; John 3:16-19; 6:29; 9:22. Duh. Anyone who has read the Bible knows that it contains large numbers of EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE passages, in both the Old & New Testaments. To suggest that God (assuming that there is a god) would condemn a person for having incorrect beliefs is in itself an unreasonable belief. Furthermore How can a person CHOOSE A BELIEF by sheer force of will? There are some beliefs that are impossible for most people (or reasonable people) to believe. Otherwise an adult could CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS, PETER PAN, SNOW WHITE, THE SEVEN DWARFS, etc. People cannot be FORCED to BELIEVE anything. If Ann Coulter had any real intelligence she would realise this. Religions, (like Islam especially, but also Catholicism historically) that have used FORCE to gain converts only create a resentful population within the religion that ultimately weaken the religion and become a source of heresy, apostasy, & ultimately self-destruction. Ann Coulter is more of the mentality of the Al Qaeda & the Taliban & similar groups who try to impose their religion by FORCE. But she seems to revel in making gratuitously SHOCKING comments to elicit reactions. Her comments, although impolitic, were NOT "Anti-Semitic". Don't even get me started on that much-abused term. Today it is merely used as a political weapon to silence political/ideological opponents. Ann Coulter may call herself a "Christian" but she doesn't seem very Christ-like. But she's no more of an "Anti-Semite" than Jesus Christ (assuming he ever existed as a historical person). Oy vey!</p> I used to be a born-again Christian, and now my beliefs are closer to Deism. But Ann Coulter, admittedly extremely OBNOXIOUS, IGNORANT, RUDE, INSULTING, ARROGANT, HARSH, DISHONEST, CRUEL, MALIGNANT, HOSTILE,etc., was still essentially “correct” within the parameters of the belief-system. Why don’t these people at least read the New Testament and see what it says? Especially in 1 John 2:23; 5:12; Revelation 2:9 & 3:9; Romans 2:28-29; John 3:16-19; 6:29; 9:22. Duh. Anyone who has read the Bible knows that it contains large numbers of EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE passages, in both the Old & New Testaments. To suggest that God (assuming that there is a god) would condemn a person for having incorrect beliefs is in itself an unreasonable belief. Furthermore How can a person CHOOSE A BELIEF by sheer force of will? There are some beliefs that are impossible for most people (or reasonable people) to believe. Otherwise an adult could CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN SANTA CLAUS, PETER PAN, SNOW WHITE, THE SEVEN DWARFS, etc. People cannot be FORCED to BELIEVE anything. If Ann Coulter had any real intelligence she would realise this. Religions, (like Islam especially, but also Catholicism historically) that have used FORCE to gain converts only create a resentful population within the religion that ultimately weaken the religion and become a source of heresy, apostasy, & ultimately self-destruction. Ann Coulter is more of the mentality of the Al Qaeda & the Taliban & similar groups who try to impose their religion by FORCE. But she seems to revel in making gratuitously SHOCKING comments to elicit reactions. Her comments, although impolitic, were NOT “Anti-Semitic”. Don’t even get me started on that much-abused term. Today it is merely used as a political weapon to silence political/ideological opponents. Ann Coulter may call herself a “Christian” but she doesn’t seem very Christ-like. But she’s no more of an “Anti-Semite” than Jesus Christ (assuming he ever existed as a historical person). Oy vey!

]]> By: Jordan's Free Voices http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2007/10/13/religion-and-logic-off-the-deep-end-with-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-701 Jordan's Free Voices Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:45:23 +0000 http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2007/10/13/religion-and-logic-off-the-deep-end-with-ann-coulter/#comment-701 <p><strong>Tribalism as Bad Faith...</strong></p> <p>I know I've said all this before, but I wish more people would assess political bloggers (and contributions...</p> Tribalism as Bad Faith…

I know I’ve said all this before, but I wish more people would assess political bloggers (and contributions…

]]> By: TruePath http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2007/10/13/religion-and-logic-off-the-deep-end-with-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-699 TruePath Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:11:43 +0000 http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2007/10/13/religion-and-logic-off-the-deep-end-with-ann-coulter/#comment-699 <p>If you want to criticize her for that go ahead. I'll probably join you. However, it wasn't like her claims her had two different interpretations one of which was anti-semitic and the other wasn't. Her statements here are pretty clear and reflect an obvious attempt to state the intellectual proposition that Christianity (well at least her mainstream version of it) entails the belief that it would be better if people were christians.</p> <p>Nothing Coulter has said in the past undermines the assumption that she might believe christianity is true and that therefore it would be even better if jews realized it was true. The fact she holds other stupid views doesn't make it improbable she believes this along with most other christians. Therefore the context you mention doesn't significantly decrease the probability that she meant exactly what I suggested she meant.</p> <p>Putting together this extremely tame sort of belief it seems Coulter was expressing here with crazy shit in the past doesn't show her to be any worse than her behavior in the past already did. You can't bootstrap off a non-event to get to a criticism you couldn't already make. I mean surely you aren't claiming that once you have been an ass in the past it is deeply morally wrong to express perfectly mild beliefs you have. Not only does it seem like a ridiculous rule it ensures that once someone has been an ass they have no reason to tone down.</p> <p>As far as I can see the context only explains why people would be eager to be made and outraged at Coulter. In other words it provides evidence that this might be motivated by something other than a fully objective attempt to interpret what happened.</p> If you want to criticize her for that go ahead. I’ll probably join you. However, it wasn’t like her claims her had two different interpretations one of which was anti-semitic and the other wasn’t. Her statements here are pretty clear and reflect an obvious attempt to state the intellectual proposition that Christianity (well at least her mainstream version of it) entails the belief that it would be better if people were christians.

Nothing Coulter has said in the past undermines the assumption that she might believe christianity is true and that therefore it would be even better if jews realized it was true. The fact she holds other stupid views doesn’t make it improbable she believes this along with most other christians. Therefore the context you mention doesn’t significantly decrease the probability that she meant exactly what I suggested she meant.

Putting together this extremely tame sort of belief it seems Coulter was expressing here with crazy shit in the past doesn’t show her to be any worse than her behavior in the past already did. You can’t bootstrap off a non-event to get to a criticism you couldn’t already make. I mean surely you aren’t claiming that once you have been an ass in the past it is deeply morally wrong to express perfectly mild beliefs you have. Not only does it seem like a ridiculous rule it ensures that once someone has been an ass they have no reason to tone down.

As far as I can see the context only explains why people would be eager to be made and outraged at Coulter. In other words it provides evidence that this might be motivated by something other than a fully objective attempt to interpret what happened.

]]> By: GSmith http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2007/10/13/religion-and-logic-off-the-deep-end-with-ann-coulter/comment-page-1/#comment-697 GSmith Sun, 14 Oct 2007 00:40:48 +0000 http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2007/10/13/religion-and-logic-off-the-deep-end-with-ann-coulter/#comment-697 <p>The difference between your belief that Jews should become atheists and her assertion that they should become christians is that you have not made a career out of asserting that people of other religions should have theur countries invaded, their leaders killed and be forcibly converted to christianity. Or that Supreme Court justices and presidential candidates you don't like should be murdered. Or that torture should be made a spectator sport. Or that anyone who does not think or vote the way you want should be denied basic human rights. It is impossible to ignore her previous statements when evaluating these. It is her defenders, not her critics, who are taking her remarks out of context.</p> The difference between your belief that Jews should become atheists and her assertion that they should become christians is that you have not made a career out of asserting that people of other religions should have theur countries invaded, their leaders killed and be forcibly converted to christianity. Or that Supreme Court justices and presidential candidates you don’t like should be murdered. Or that torture should be made a spectator sport. Or that anyone who does not think or vote the way you want should be denied basic human rights. It is impossible to ignore her previous statements when evaluating these. It is her defenders, not her critics, who are taking her remarks out of context.

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