Body Image, ‘Real’ Women and Obesity

So I’ve long been disgusted by the socially approval of complaints about models being too skinny and demands that ‘real’ women, i.e., less skinny women, be depicted in the media. I’ve already skewered most of the arguments elsewhere but the long and short of it is that the people who complain about skinny models aren’t demanding we show more ugly people on TV. Rather they are just complaining about which features are considered beautiful1.

Sure, often these views are voiced as mostly meaningless gripes the same way men might gripe that it should be illegal for women to prefer the guy with the fancier car, full head of hair etc… So long as these complaints are taken no more seriously than this they are a harmless way to express frustration and worry about one’s sexual desirability. However, some speakers take these complaints quite seriously and that amounts to an (unconsciously) selfish ploy to get ahead by denigrating the competition. After all some people will always be more beautiful than others so at best they are demanding we change the standards to put themselves closer to the top. In men we recognize the analogous unpleasant behavior (dismissing every guy who is popular with the ladies as an asshole or sissy) isn’t praiseworthy and we should do the same in women2.

This is simple human psychology. We all (men and women) resent those we fear are more attractive/more successful than us and we look for ways to bring them down so we don’t feel so bad about ourselves. It would thus be unfair to assign more than a little blame to the men and women who look for excuses to dismiss their potential competitors. They are just groping for ways to feel better about themselves. The true culprit here is society which doesn’t call out this behavior for what it is3.

Still, one might have thought that this is just a zero sum game. Some body type will be regarded as most appealing and those women will be the winners and others the losers. But maybe not if the (still speculative) research discussed on the freakonomics blog turns out to be true.

Finally (and more speculatively), women’s perceptions of an ‘ideal’ female body are larger than men’s perceptions of the ‘ideal’ male body, and individuals with larger ‘ideal’ body images are significantly more likely to be obese.

As an a priori matter this certainly seems a plausible result. People who view their body type as just a little overweight might be less motivated to do something about it than those who view theirs as significantly overweight. Moreover, given what we are discovering about the effect of gut bacteria on obesity it’s quite plausible that becoming a little overweight puts you at greater risk of becoming even further overweight. Since the societal harms from obesity dwarf those from anorexia it might be a health harm to encourage the adoption of a less skinny ideal form (noting that the form found most attractive by men isn’t actually unhealthily skinny, e.g., Pamela Anderson holds the record for being a playboy centerfold the most times).

Of course what would be most desirable is to do something about the stress and self-pity that mating expectations inflict on us. While society tells men they aren’t supposed to complain about it this is a problem faced equally by both sexes. If you could get most dating aged boys to be honest you would find just as much angst about having to ask girls out, being expected to act confident and suave when kissing girls as depicted in the media, not looking weak or unmanish, etc.. as girls have about their bodies. Now I realize that any women reading this are likely to be skeptical that such silly little things could possibly be as stressful as the body image propaganda they are exposed to but just step back for a second and think of how silly it must seem to men to see all these extremely hot girls who can crook their finger and sleep with any guy they want fretting about a few pounds the guys don’t even notice. Looking at it from the perspective of the gender trying to be impressed all heterosexual fretting about attractiveness seems absurd and too silly to possibly warrant the angst it causes.

This, however, is as hard a problem as they come. Worrying about our sexual attractiveness is an essential evolutionary strategy. One can find examples of cultures who put less emphasis on slenderness or machoness but you can’t find any society where both sexes didn’t compete over and fret about attractiveness. I actually have much greater hopes for solving this problem for women in the relatively near future than I do for men. When true VR becomes possible anyone will be able to look like anything they want but the sort of things men worry about, status, machoness, confidence, accouterments of success seem much more difficult to equalize. Ultimately I don’t think that problem is solvable short of massive genetic engineering or powerful psychoactive drug regimens. One day perhaps but probably in the distant future.


  1. Note that this isn’t something inflicted on women by men. Women tend not to be compelled by advertisements and other media showing heavier girls. 

  2. If you aren’t convinced that this is ultimately about putting down those we fear are going to one up us on attractiveness then consider the contrast between the anger and moral disdain often expressed for women who get breast implants for cosmetic reasons and the approval expressed when breast cancer survivors do the same. Or analogously the disapproval many women express towards other women who act too slutty or wear too revealing clothing but the lack of similar anger at girls who fail to be modest in unattractive ways. The correlation between features which might give someone an advantage in attracting male interest an this sort of disapproval is just too much to ignore. 

  3. One may wonder why society seems to apply different standards to the male and female equivalents of this behavior. Obviously I don’t really know but my guess would be that this sort of passive verbal denigration runs smack dab into our stereotypes about male attractiveness. That is a man who sat around denigrating more successful men would be seen as undesirable while the same is not true of women. Thus it becomes in men’s interest to echo women’s complaints to gain favor while the conflict between this sort of complaint and our image of masculinity prevents the reverse from happening. 

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  1. On body image and selfishness…

    Truepath objects to complaints about the way that women’s bodies are portrayed in media: So I’ve long been disgusted by the socially approval of complaints about models being too skinny and demands that ‘real’ women, i.e., less skinny women, be……

  2. edward says:

    I go gaga over a woman thats a little on the large side but not too much, shes got more to love and alot more down to earth it seems than slim skinny ones,
    I mean i wanna grab her and never let her go,
    I mean if igo somewhere and i see woman
    the slightly bigger ones are always alot more giving to memthan the skinny slim, or hot body ones,
    I guess alot of slim ones are out for money and the more fulll woman have a big heart, and arnt conserned with thier looks soo much but how to love others more and be there foor another person

  3. claire says:

    Yea but the male specis can be a harsh one. I have many friends of all shapes and sizes and it amazes me how men can ignore overweight girls because they do not want to sleep with them. My friend who is over weight has had cars of boys drive past and yell obsenities at her. And has rung me crying and when you feel that bad a big mac looks pretty good. I dont think males are subjected to such public humilation as often.

    • TruePath says:

      It’s always hard to appreciate how much the other gender suffers. Most guys can’t comprehend how a girl who, even if she is kinda plain, can sleep with a great many guys at the drop of a hat and yet is suffering. Men and women want (for social and biological reasons) different things and hence are upset by different things and that’s very important to remember. Also, while women can be relatively open about the suffering that unsuccessful dating puts them through society punishes men when they cross the line from bitching to admitting how horrible they feel. To make matters worse admitting to the real pain (as opposed to frustration) on their side of the equation would screw men over in the dating scene.

      Except for the smallest of percents (true on both sides) even pretty chubby women are pursued by men who want to sleep with them. Of course those men often aren’t offering what they want so they turn them down. The situation is perfectly symetric with both genders, especially the less desierable ones, being denied what they want.

      Sure, girls feel bad about being unattractive and undeseriable. They want to be flirted with and asked out on dates. But don’t underestimate the number of men who feel insecure and unable to attract female interest. Young men see hundreds of girls they want to sleep with every day, including ones who are chubby, and their frequent failure to have sex with them leaves them feeling like a failure. The guys might prefer to have sex with a more attractive girl but being turned down by someone who is self-pitying about their attractiveness is an extra blow.

      Ultimately, dating is pretty much a zero sum game. Both sexes are in the same situation of competining for mates. Many guys are horribly insecure. I mean how else could it be that simply asking a girl for her number, objectively a simple task, could inspire so much fear and reluctance in men. At least girls can sympathize with each other about their predicaments rather than giving each other shit about not impressing the other sex.

      Do girls get hollered at? Sure. But women are also incredibly harsh to men who express interest in them. It’s not that most of these girls are evil, it’s that girls often feel offended, disgusted and even intimidated when a boy they find unattractive tries to pick them up. However, while some guys just have no class the difference between a smile and a number or a hurtful reaction that says you’re a slimeball is merely whether she finds you attractive.

      In short dating blows goats. Women are probably evolved to be disgusted and intimidated by men they find unattractive to avoid rape and evolutionarily disadvantageous sex while men have similar incentives to pretend they are confident and sucesful and hide their insecurities. Frankly, I would have taken getting hollered at from cars growing up rather than being the one who had to approach women in clubs and bars and get crushed at my most vulnerable.

      Ohh yah just to add another point. Studies have shown HUGE effects on women’s estimation of attractiveness based on the man’s reported income (like the physically most unattractive male photo bumped up to the near the top when women were told he made 300k). That might sound like a good thing but it’s really just the opposite.

      I mean not only does this double the stress but it means men have to put all their eggs in one basket. I mean a man who does worse professionally is thus much more screwed.

  4. edward, says:

    Im a 48 yr old man nice looking and nice manners but not a wimp or macho,
    i see alot of totally insecure jerk’s out there that have no manners and are all mouth and no backbone,
    If I had my choice,
    Id line all the jerks up and take them out,
    i dont know why woman go for someone that dont have anything or that has no manners, or totally insecure,
    Id much more have a woman thats a little on the chunky side, not totally over weight as thats unhealthy, but not like the so called models on TV that are in fatuaTED BYTHEMselves, and into nothing in life when it gets down to it,
    I dont kno what it takes but I guess being normal with good upbringing and interested in alot of things is boring to some woman,i like to touch and kiss and love on a woman,
    i mean is there anyone out there with some feelings and personality that likes to go on walks and likes to talk in a cafe and not in a hurry for thier job or is a darn bossy know it all?
    too many of them out therer and too many cauht up in the so called career thing,
    If theres a lady or girl out there that down to earth and likes to talk andn ISNT IN A HURRY AND HAS TO HAVE HER LITTLE FRIENDS AROUND then get ahold of me ok,
    claire get ahold of me ok if your there,
    I know right what you mean and I am right there with you and I like to hug and hold a woman when shes down and make her feel better and talk to her with out her feeling like im trying to make the move on her and realize im for her and not gonna go and do things with dumb guys like stupid drinking and acting off or being mouthy,
    I mean Is that too much to ask???
    Dear God??????

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