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	<title>Comments on: Really Bad Physics (Reporting?)</title>
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		<title>By: xplat</title>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree that the article in the Telegraph is plainly ridiculous--really, it doesn&#039;t rise above the level of a bad comic book plot.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But really your footnote here is hardly better off.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Given that we don&#039;t have the requesite knowledge of brain mechanisms to be able to convincingly detail a reduction should one exist, and given also the absolutely pathetic record of claims of ontological irreducibility in standing up to informed scrutiny, postulating a fundamental nature for subjective experience at this stage in the game is more wishful thinking than honest reasoning.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And the leap from there to &#039;consciousness causes collapse&#039; is just complete woo.  It is absolutely no different from arguments people use for the alleged plausibility of psychic phenomena.  Actually it would be far more surprising if the brain found a way to violate the basic linearity of quantum mechanics than if it could perform &#039;mere&#039; FTL signaling or gravity manipulation.  (Even less likely would be Penrose&#039;s contention that it could compute outside of Turing degree 0.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the article in the Telegraph is plainly ridiculous&#8211;really, it doesn&#8217;t rise above the level of a bad comic book plot.</p>
<p>But really your footnote here is hardly better off.</p>
<p>Given that we don&#8217;t have the requesite knowledge of brain mechanisms to be able to convincingly detail a reduction should one exist, and given also the absolutely pathetic record of claims of ontological irreducibility in standing up to informed scrutiny, postulating a fundamental nature for subjective experience at this stage in the game is more wishful thinking than honest reasoning.</p>
<p>And the leap from there to &#8216;consciousness causes collapse&#8217; is just complete woo.  It is absolutely no different from arguments people use for the alleged plausibility of psychic phenomena.  Actually it would be far more surprising if the brain found a way to violate the basic linearity of quantum mechanics than if it could perform &#8216;mere&#8217; FTL signaling or gravity manipulation.  (Even less likely would be Penrose&#8217;s contention that it could compute outside of Turing degree 0.)</p>
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