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	<title>Comments on: Why Care If There Are Innate Gender Differences?</title>
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		<title>By: More Spin On Science &#38; Gender &#124; Infinite Injury</title>
		<link>http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2008/06/03/why-care-if-there-are-innate-gender-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-1167</link>
		<dc:creator>More Spin On Science &#38; Gender &#124; Infinite Injury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Irrelevance of Gender Differences: The Power of Conditionalization &#124; Infinite Injury</title>
		<link>http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2008/06/03/why-care-if-there-are-innate-gender-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-1101</link>
		<dc:creator>The Irrelevance of Gender Differences: The Power of Conditionalization &#124; Infinite Injury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TruePath</title>
		<link>http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2008/06/03/why-care-if-there-are-innate-gender-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-1100</link>
		<dc:creator>TruePath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The point is that conditioning on the information you have availible can totally change the effect of various factors on your rational estimate of ability.  In fact it can even reverse the effect of a given factor.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For instance suppose (totally randomly) than women tend to be better at reading comprehension tasks.  Now if you knew nothing about someone and were told they were a woman this should make you increase your expectation of their reading comprehension.  Now suppose also that women tend to test better than men, e.g., statistically they take tests more seriously and score higher relative to their inherent ability than men.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now suppose you know only that someone got a 700 on the language section of the SAT.  In this case further discovering that the individual is a woman should likely &lt;em&gt;reduce&lt;/em&gt; your estimate of their reading comprehension since the effect of knowing that their SAT score is an overestimate will swamp the effect of knowing they are innately more likely to have a higher reading comprehension.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;p&gt;Now this point may apply just as well in the reverse.  For instance if women are more intimidated by math exams than men (which some studies suggest is true) in fact finding out an applicant for math grad school is a woman should actually increase one&#039;s expectation of their ability.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ultimately I have no idea which way these conditionalization effects will fall but I do think we have good reason to believe these will overwhelm any innate factors.  In short if we want to learn what effect knowledge of gender should rationally have on our judgment of someone we need to look to the interaction of gender and the information we are likely to get about them not the innate effects of gender.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is that conditioning on the information you have availible can totally change the effect of various factors on your rational estimate of ability.  In fact it can even reverse the effect of a given factor.</p>
<p>For instance suppose (totally randomly) than women tend to be better at reading comprehension tasks.  Now if you knew nothing about someone and were told they were a woman this should make you increase your expectation of their reading comprehension.  Now suppose also that women tend to test better than men, e.g., statistically they take tests more seriously and score higher relative to their inherent ability than men.</p>
<p>Now suppose you know only that someone got a 700 on the language section of the SAT.  In this case further discovering that the individual is a woman should likely <em>reduce</em> your estimate of their reading comprehension since the effect of knowing that their SAT score is an overestimate will swamp the effect of knowing they are innately more likely to have a higher reading comprehension.</p>
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<p>Now this point may apply just as well in the reverse.  For instance if women are more intimidated by math exams than men (which some studies suggest is true) in fact finding out an applicant for math grad school is a woman should actually increase one&#8217;s expectation of their ability.</p>
<p>Ultimately I have no idea which way these conditionalization effects will fall but I do think we have good reason to believe these will overwhelm any innate factors.  In short if we want to learn what effect knowledge of gender should rationally have on our judgment of someone we need to look to the interaction of gender and the information we are likely to get about them not the innate effects of gender.</p>
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		<title>By: Pareto</title>
		<link>http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2008/06/03/why-care-if-there-are-innate-gender-differences/comment-page-1/#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator>Pareto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 06:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As far as I&#039;m aware, it&#039;s not quite true that &quot;once you actually have some evidence about a person’s mathematical/scientific ability (like you’ve talked to them) their gender isn’t relevant.&quot; The point of a statistic is that it provides information about the individual (or at least, what they are like most likely). Presuming some kind of innate difference between the genders here, the same piece of data - in this case, maybe some statement the other person makes indicating their abilities - does not push your truth-value probability inference to the same point taking into account gender, because the fact that the other person is male or female (and the corresponding gender effect) biases the inference.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I&#8217;m aware, it&#8217;s not quite true that &#8220;once you actually have some evidence about a person’s mathematical/scientific ability (like you’ve talked to them) their gender isn’t relevant.&#8221; The point of a statistic is that it provides information about the individual (or at least, what they are like most likely). Presuming some kind of innate difference between the genders here, the same piece of data &#8211; in this case, maybe some statement the other person makes indicating their abilities &#8211; does not push your truth-value probability inference to the same point taking into account gender, because the fact that the other person is male or female (and the corresponding gender effect) biases the inference.</p>
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