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	<title>Comments on: The Irrelevance of Gender Differences: The Power of Conditionalization</title>
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	<description>Good Analysis, Bad Grammar</description>
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		<title>By: TruePath</title>
		<link>http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2008/06/10/the-irrelevance-of-gender-differences-the-power-of-conditionalization/comment-page-1/#comment-1177</link>
		<dc:creator>TruePath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yah, my first post probably wasn&#039;t very clear.  In order to have reason to conclude that an individual women was less good at mathematics that a similarly positioned man what we would need to have is reason to believe that&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;P(G@M&#124;I &amp; W) &lt; P(G@M&#124; I &amp; M)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;where we (somewhat simplisticly) represent the outcomes as Yes/No deciscions (same idea if they are continous measures of ability but more complicated)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;G@M: The person is good at math
W: The person is a woman
M: The Person is a man
I: The person has whatever extra information you have about the person in the context you wish to consider.  In a grad school applcation process this would be something like has GRE score such and such, has college grades this and that, has publications etc..&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;All Bayes theorem would let us do in this case is rearange the inequality to say&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;P(I&amp; W&#124;G@M)/P(I&amp;W} &lt; P(I&amp; M&#124;G@M)/P(I&amp;M}&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can look at this as saying that you have reason to suspect women with the same test scores/grades as men are worse than men if and only if women who are good at math compose a smaller percentage of people who score that well on the tests/get grades like that than me who are good at math compoe of men who get test scores.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But that doesn&#039;t really add any information.  I don&#039;t really see how Bayes theorem is that helpful here.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yah, my first post probably wasn&#8217;t very clear.  In order to have reason to conclude that an individual women was less good at mathematics that a similarly positioned man what we would need to have is reason to believe that</p>
<p>P(G@M|I &amp; W) &lt; P(G@M| I &amp; M)</p>
<p>where we (somewhat simplisticly) represent the outcomes as Yes/No deciscions (same idea if they are continous measures of ability but more complicated)</p>
<p>G@M: The person is good at math<br />
W: The person is a woman<br />
M: The Person is a man<br />
I: The person has whatever extra information you have about the person in the context you wish to consider.  In a grad school applcation process this would be something like has GRE score such and such, has college grades this and that, has publications etc..</p>
<p>All Bayes theorem would let us do in this case is rearange the inequality to say</p>
<p>P(I&amp; W|G@M)/P(I&amp;W} &lt; P(I&amp; M|G@M)/P(I&amp;M}</p>
<p>You can look at this as saying that you have reason to suspect women with the same test scores/grades as men are worse than men if and only if women who are good at math compose a smaller percentage of people who score that well on the tests/get grades like that than me who are good at math compoe of men who get test scores.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t really add any information.  I don&#8217;t really see how Bayes theorem is that helpful here.</p>
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		<title>By: Pareto</title>
		<link>http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2008/06/10/the-irrelevance-of-gender-differences-the-power-of-conditionalization/comment-page-1/#comment-1112</link>
		<dc:creator>Pareto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, I really understand your bolded point here now. Nice.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And because I&#039;m continually trying to really internalize Bayes&#039; Rule, where precisely might it apply here?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I really understand your bolded point here now. Nice.</p>
<p>And because I&#8217;m continually trying to really internalize Bayes&#8217; Rule, where precisely might it apply here?</p>
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