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	<title>Comments on: Fighting Over Crumbs</title>
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		<title>By: tagalog tula pag ibig</title>
		<link>http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2008/11/05/fighting-over-crumbs/comment-page-1/#comment-31802</link>
		<dc:creator>tagalog tula pag ibig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 04:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Every time I read about this, it is usually exactly the same. Finally someone has provided a different and meaningful view.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time I read about this, it is usually exactly the same. Finally someone has provided a different and meaningful view.</p>
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		<title>By: TruePath</title>
		<link>http://www.infiniteinjury.org/blog/2008/11/05/fighting-over-crumbs/comment-page-1/#comment-1280</link>
		<dc:creator>TruePath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, let me put the question this way: what do you think matters besides the enjoyable (hedonic suggests I exclude things like feelings of satisfaction or pride) qualities of mental states?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I mean articulate a plausible consistent alternative, or partial alternative and we can talk about achieving those ends.  If all that was at work here was a disagreement over what constitutes fundamental value then it wouldn&#039;t be tragic, merely a disagreement.  However, the issue is that no one is reasonably pursuing any alternative either.  Instead they are just going around and fixing those things that happen to bug them even though deviates from any reasonable plan to achieve any coherent set of ends those people might endorse.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let me put the question this way: what do you think matters besides the enjoyable (hedonic suggests I exclude things like feelings of satisfaction or pride) qualities of mental states?</p>
<p>I mean articulate a plausible consistent alternative, or partial alternative and we can talk about achieving those ends.  If all that was at work here was a disagreement over what constitutes fundamental value then it wouldn&#8217;t be tragic, merely a disagreement.  However, the issue is that no one is reasonably pursuing any alternative either.  Instead they are just going around and fixing those things that happen to bug them even though deviates from any reasonable plan to achieve any coherent set of ends those people might endorse.</p>
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		<title>By: http://www.philosophyetc.net/</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why do you assume that the hedonic quality of our mental states is all that &quot;really&quot; matters?  That doesn&#039;t sound like a remotely plausible conception of value to me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(Less importantly, I don&#039;t think your interpretation of the happiness literature is entirely accurate. There&#039;s still pretty significant room for hedonic improvement even within our ordinary biological constraints. Though you&#039;re probably right that even greater results could be achieved artificially -- say by plugging in to Nozick&#039;s experience machine. Increasing our ordinary &#039;happiness baseline&#039; sounds like a much more appealing intervention, precisely because it doesn&#039;t interfere with all the other things we value. No mere &#039;crumbs&#039;, they.)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you assume that the hedonic quality of our mental states is all that &#8220;really&#8221; matters?  That doesn&#8217;t sound like a remotely plausible conception of value to me.</p>
<p>(Less importantly, I don&#8217;t think your interpretation of the happiness literature is entirely accurate. There&#8217;s still pretty significant room for hedonic improvement even within our ordinary biological constraints. Though you&#8217;re probably right that even greater results could be achieved artificially &#8212; say by plugging in to Nozick&#8217;s experience machine. Increasing our ordinary &#8216;happiness baseline&#8217; sounds like a much more appealing intervention, precisely because it doesn&#8217;t interfere with all the other things we value. No mere &#8216;crumbs&#8217;, they.)</p>
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